One Year Since Beslan
I just read the BBC article about the terrible trajedy in the school in Baslan when Muslim Militants took over the school and murdered so many. In the article and the news piece that has just played the word Muslim or Islam wasn't used at all? Why is this? I know its a tiny minority of them that are causing us problems but if there was a few more of them at it imagine the chaos then?
Then we watch the chilling video of the London suicide bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan stating how he is defending HIS people and that WE are his targets! He states we are drinking from the glass that Muslims have had to drink for years.... NOW what the fuck is that about? Muslims as far as I am aware are not being blown up by Christian suicide bombers are they? Have they ever been?
People say the Christian extremeists in the U.S. are just as scary and I agree that they are indeed frightening but until they start cutting hands off, raping women and blowing up airplanes and bars I am not too concerned. Sorry Islam!! You win hands down the prize for being the world's current most scary superstition.
Then we watch the chilling video of the London suicide bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan stating how he is defending HIS people and that WE are his targets! He states we are drinking from the glass that Muslims have had to drink for years.... NOW what the fuck is that about? Muslims as far as I am aware are not being blown up by Christian suicide bombers are they? Have they ever been?
People say the Christian extremeists in the U.S. are just as scary and I agree that they are indeed frightening but until they start cutting hands off, raping women and blowing up airplanes and bars I am not too concerned. Sorry Islam!! You win hands down the prize for being the world's current most scary superstition.
posted by gemdealer | 6:24 pm
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Well, I don't want to take sides on this matter but Christians did some awful things in the past as well, let's not forget that.
Christians and Muslims have lots of things in common though: we do it all in the name of God and they both believe they're right and that the others could learn something from them.
It makes me shiver.
I heartily agree with you on the past history of the Christian Church.
We are now in the 21st Century and Islam has not moved on. Christians Jews, Hindus and Buddhists are not committing suicide in the name of God all over the world killing people. (PS I am not condoning Israel here in anyway)
Black people have been exploited, neglected and abused in the past and still are (hey look at New Orleans now) but they never strapped bomb belts on or spread Jihadi videos!!!!
Thanks for replying! I love constructive "comment-versations" like this :)
May I point out that the IRA used to bomb in the name of Christianity, and not so long ago. (again I'm not taking sides)
All I want to say is that there are fundamentalists in each camp.
Hi there,
Me too I love a debate...The IRA most certainly NEVER used Christianity as thereason for any of its campaigns. Their motivation is and was the end of British Colonial rule in Northern Ireland. Chritianity had nothing to do with it whatsoever.
Hi Nicolas,
I don't understand what you mean. Christian politics is not a big things outside of the US and Christians(??) are not in Power in ANY Islamic state?
Can you explain where the Muslim grievance comes from (outside of Palestine which is the gaping wound of Islam which should be dealt with)???
I really cannot see what justifiable grievance they have.
Da Wizard-Radical Islam's issue witht he west is, first and foremost, the occupation of Mecca (troops in Saudi Arabia stationed there after Desert Storm). Secondly is the backing of Zionists (Isreal). The real reason, though, at least in my oppinion, is it gives them purpose and makes them important.
Ya the troops stationed (not in Mecca) in Saudi were the same ones who defended the Saudi cities from the Islamic Scuds that were raining down on them.
The same troops that stopped the sacking of Kuwait and saved millions of Muslims in Bosnia.
That excuse doesn't stand up at all. The issue of support for Israel I agree with but that doesn't give them the right to blow themselves up on the London Tube nor does that have any relevance to the Palestinian cause.
I don't go as far as some and describe Islam as a death cult but it does a great job of impersonating one!!
It may be because the conflict between Russia and Chechnya is not predominantly a religious conflict, and as of late Islamic fundamentalists have been "borrowing" it to add to their grievances. But the conflict is far more complex.
"Immediately after Beslan, Russian officials tried to put the blame on foreign terrorists. They said the hostage-takers included Arabs and a black African. But although Islamic jihadists are indeed making advances in the region, the roots of Beslan, as of instability across the north Caucasus, are local: the conflict in Chechnya, corruption in government—and brutal lawlessness within the security forces. And the Russian government is doing little about these." - The Economist
I'd suggest reading up on the conflict a bit more. It is tempting to label every violent act and conflict committed by Islamic terrorists in an Islamic territory as the act of religious followers doing a very good imitation of a death cult. Matters are rarely that simple. I find it interesting that you are able (or curious enough) to discern this with the IRA (being Christian) but not with the Chechnyan terrorists (being Muslim).
Pardon me, I forgot to include the link to the Economist article from which I got the quote. Hopefully it's not premium content (I accessed it through archives) but if it is I'd be happy to copy/paste it into e-mail for you.
Beslan One Year On
Hi Arethusa,
Thanks for posting. There is no link whatsoever between Christianity and the IRA. The IRA never used Christianity or made religious proclamations. The only link with religion was that the two sides were GENERALLY either Protestant or Catholic.
The Chechnyan problem is indeed somewhat terratorial in nature and not quite as Jihadi as the bombing in London but the Jihadis still make the claim that it is part of the global Jihad against the West and for the establishment of Khilafa or a worldwide Muslim state.
When asked directly few even moderates are against this Khilafa. Salman Rushdie was interviewed recently on BBC's Hardtalk and he made some brilliant points about how quiet the moderate voices in Islam are.
Lets not forget millions took to the streets when the Quaran was desocrated by US troops but nobody rioted in protest of the bombers in London anywhere in the Muslim world. Which was more damaging to Islam?
The Chechnyan problem is indeed somewhat terratorial in nature and not quite as Jihadi as the bombing in London but the Jihadis still make the claim that it is part of the global Jihad against the West and for the establishment of Khilafa or a worldwide Muslim state.
It is far more than "somewhat" territorial and political in nature. It is definitely not as "jihadi" as the bombings in London because as of today the Russians still have provided no conclusive evidence of the al-Qaeda link. There is certainly a connection between militant Islamists and the Chechnyans but it was--in its more dominant form--out of necessity.
Jihadis still make the claim that it is part of the global...
So what? We deal with evidence not claims. We can't base our analysis on situations solely on the delcarations of bombing terrorists.
The rest of your comment is entirely irrelevant to my point which is to take a deeper, more thorough and complex look at the situation in Chechnya; and how people are quick to blanket conflicts in Muslim areas as a "religious" issue merely because Muslim people are involved.
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